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Hoff · Joined: 28 Jun 2007 Posts: 506 Location: Warrior Nirvana

We got to talking 308 rifles in the AR thread so lets start a new thread instead

specrat · Joined: 29 Jun 2007 Posts: 201 Location: the shop

Hey Morris, you mentioned that rail systems are available for FALs. Could you provide some info or point me in the right direction please? It would be much appreciated.

Morris · Joined: 29 Jul 2007 Posts: 99 Location: Seattle Metro Area

DA Arms (www.dsarms.com) is your source for the rail systems. They have them for short or standard handguard lengths. However, they aren't inexpensive and they add a bit of weight but they offer options.

Hoff · Joined: 28 Jun 2007 Posts: 506 Location: Warrior Nirvana

DsArms Sa58 Tactical comes with rails on it's forearm and top. You will spend about 1,500 for the rifle.
Hoff

Semper_Fi · Joined: 08 Jul 2007 Posts: 397 Location: Jakarta, Indonesia

At close range, 75 grain 5.56 rounds (don't care who the manufacturer is) chip away at cinder block walls while 175 grain 7.62 x 51 (.308 Winchester) rounds quickly destroy cinder block walls and (with a double or triple tap) can neutralize objects taking cover behind the wall.

Watch the LA bank robbery documentary and hear the testimony of LAPD officers taking cover behind a cinder block wall when the bank robbers opened up on the wall with their AK's (7.62 x 39).

5.56 and .308 platforms are both mission specific and each have their tactical advantages.

Train with, and carry, both...

UZI · Joined: 08 Jul 2007 Posts: 44 Location: Houston, Texas

I am going to get a .308.

How much does a 21 inch compared to a 16 inch barrel affect range?

I know I could operate with a 21 inch in CQB. Tactics change but remain the same.

Semper_Fi · Joined: 08 Jul 2007 Posts: 397 Location: Jakarta, Indonesia

Uzi,
Springfield SOCOM's (16" barrel) and Scouts (18" barrel) are time proven, dependable rifle style .308's.

If you want a carbine .308, check out Bushmaster, DPMS and Rock River. We see these three in the sandbox with 16" and 20" barrels but they seem more suseptible to sand jamming than are Springfields and European assault rifles.

European assault rifles impress me as being as reliable as Springfields in sand/dust conditions. There are many euro .308's on the market (7.62 x 51), I've fam fired most of them and I'm inclined toward the simple design, feel and reputation of the FN and FAL. I'd probably go with a FAL, 20" barrel, rail top and fold away stock. Check out GG&G's bipod...works great in crappy conditions.

After the AK-47 (7.62 x 39) we probably see more FAL's in the field than any other 7.62 assault rifle...FAL's have very dedicated users and they offer a variety of barrel lengths and options. Lots of FAL sellers on the web...check out DSA.

UZI · Joined: 08 Jul 2007 Posts: 44 Location: Houston, Texas

Thanks

Semper_Fi

Looks like DSA is the way to go!

I ordered a catalogue

Morris · Joined: 29 Jul 2007 Posts: 99 Location: Seattle Metro Area

www.falfiles.com

Lots of full rifles, parts, mags and kits there.

Ian's Dad · Joined: 06 Oct 2007 Posts: 7 Location: Indiana

My prefered grab and go Rifle is a Springfield Bush set in a Sage Enhanced EBR Chassis, and all kind of goodies from Fulton Armory.

Semper_Fi · Joined: 08 Jul 2007 Posts: 397 Location: Jakarta, Indonesia

Outstanding .308 battle rifles at www.pof-usa.com

rlwilk · Joined: 14 Jul 2007 Posts: 10 Location: Houston, Texas

I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask this question, but I'll apologize later if necessayr. After years of shooting (loving) my Springfield M1 Garand (late 1970's manufacture, with a short "tanker" barrel, and .308 cal), backed up with my favorite Series 70 Colt 1911 "Combat Government", which, BTW, is a really nice pistol, I decided to drag my Aggie butt into the 21st century. So, I bought a Glock 19, then a Springfield XD in .45 and an AR-15 flat top. For the same reason I bought the XD in .45 (I just like the round), I want a good .308 battle rifle. Now, not being made of money, I'm probably going to have to get rid of something, probably my .308 M1. How would you go about pricing something like that? I don't usually sell guns, but the one's I'm looking at as it's replacement are mui, mui expensive, so somethings gotta give.

Any guesses as to what this late '70s Springfield .308 M1 Tanker Garand is worth? Or how to go about figuring it out?

Thanks!

Bob

Hoff · Joined: 28 Jun 2007 Posts: 506 Location: Warrior Nirvana

Bob,
http://www.gunsamerica.com/ is a good recourse for pricing guns, though My philosiphy is never sell a good gun. Sell somthing else and by another gun.
Hoff

specrat · Joined: 29 Jun 2007 Posts: 201 Location: the shop

Ok guys, thought we could make one of those motivational posters for operators out of this photo; let's hear your thoughts!

I'll kick it off:

*** The Hoffners Spec4 Leg Rail in .308 - Because Zombies and Islamofascists Always Travel in Groups ***

or do you like this photo better?

Semper_Fi · Joined: 08 Jul 2007 Posts: 397 Location: Jakarta, Indonesia

The evolution of cutting edge tactical gear continues...excellent.

As Spec knows, I attach four (4) M1A mag holders to an AR-15 Leg Rail....kinda crowded but it works. So, with M1A mag holders already in hand, please craft for me a stripped down M1A Leg Rail as your production schedule allows. Add a Glock Model 22 twin mag holder to the Leg Rail por favor.

rlwilk....don't sell the M1 brother...sell the house, dog, car, TV or kitchen table...but never sell the M1.