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specrat · Joined: 29 Jun 2007 Posts: 201 Location: the shop

Ok, as if it wasn't enough that there's a censor feature on this site for warriors, it's got to be a very *sensitive* one. But 'splain THIS to me... why does the word "c h e a p" trigger it?
C'monnnnnn

M.W. · Joined: 12 Jul 2007 Posts: 136 Location: inside the loop

Good question,Spec.

Some of the filters seem a little extreme and I was wondering about that word myself.
I have had to use- less expensive - instead.

fm2 · Joined: 16 Jul 2007 Posts: 67

Do we need a censor on this board?

Ezekiel 25:17 · Joined: 06 Sep 2007 Posts: 36 Location: Houston TX.

We can be trained killers but cant say F#%k. Now thats funny. DON'T MOVE GOSH DARNNIT !!!!

DEMON · Joined: 13 Jul 2007 Posts: 194 Location: Houston,Texas

I agree with the argument about the censor feature.However I do have a problem with Ezekiels comment about being "trained killers".I cant speak for him but I would never use that choice of words to describe myself.I am trained and I would do what ever it takes to stop the threat.Nothing more or nothing less.What ever the out come so be it.I feel you set your self up for a premeditated mindset and potential liabilty by using a phrase such as "trained killers".If something should happen and your hand was forced ,terminology of that sort may wind up getting you in more trouble then using phrases like "stop the threat" etc.You may not have meant it that way but that is what you said for everyone on this forum to read.Poor choice of words,this time.Had it been a real situation and said in front of witnesses or Law enforcement ...You may be facing bigger problems then my post.Think before we speak or write.Handle what has to be handled,but training is more then tactics on the range.It applies to a very large part of your life and comes with great responsibilities.Think about it... Twisted Evil

Semper_Fi

We are "American Defenders"; here to protect our families, communities and the American way of life. If first responders need back up, we are immediately ready, willing, ably trained and equipped to help "Stop" a threat.

My prayer is to never again take life; however, if my family, my employees, the defenseless, my fellow Americans or my Warrior family are threatened, then the threat(s) will be stopped by whatever means necessary, no hesitation, no apologies.

Big difference between Warriors and Killers.

M.W. · Joined: 12 Jul 2007 Posts: 136 Location: inside the loop

Post deleted - Tried to help but I have no desire to have my time wasted being subpoenaed at this guy's trial over his words on this forum. Good luck to you.

Semper_Fi

Ezekiel's point is understood yet it's good to keep it clean as we are trying to get more women and young adults involved in training and in this Forum.
When it's all guys that are within ear shot...no problem, let it rip.

specrat · Joined: 29 Jun 2007 Posts: 201 Location: the shop

Oh! You meant let *that* rip... I thought you meant something else.

Point taken on the censor thing, I agree; but the word c h e a p? lol

CaptDave · Joined: 23 Sep 2007 Posts: 7 Location: League City, TX

I think the issue that Demon and Semper Fi are trying to make here - (and forgive me if I am wrong)and with which I agree with - is that if YOU ever have to use deadly force to defend yourself (Problem One according to Jeff Cooper) then, after you have solved problem one, you have to deal with Problem Two - the justice system, courts of law, attorneys, etc... then you don't want to give the other side any ammunition to use against you.

The point here being: in this age of litigation, any attorney worth his hourly 400.00 or whatever it is now, is going to use all means available to him/her to check up on the shooter including the internet. And if by chance that shooter has posted in any of the various forums that he is either a "trained killer" a "bad ass" a "kill 'em all, let GOD sort 'em out" kind of guy or anything similar, then that attorney can make the defendants day in court a very long one. ie: "He was looking for a reason to drop the hammer", "couldn't wait to pull the trigger", etc... to try to persuade the jury to his way of thinking.

Just my .02.

specrat · Joined: 29 Jun 2007 Posts: 201 Location: the shop

wow, this sure took a turn

Ezekiel 25:17 · Joined: 06 Sep 2007 Posts: 36 Location: Houston TX.

Good Lord....... Excuse me
Hows this:
We can be trained threat stopping people but cant say ,,,,, What ever!
Next time I'm asked why I don't post, this will be a perfect example.

I guess I should change my tag as not to offend any zombies.

DEMON · Joined: 13 Jul 2007 Posts: 194 Location: Houston,Texas

Ezekiel,
You did not offend me in any way.I cant speak for the Zombies.My words to you were just constructive critisisim,nothing less then I would say to my own students,freinds,or family.There are numerous reasons why we should not use certain words or phrases,some have been brought to your attention in the past few posts.I encourage you to continue posting,if you dont agree with something then disagree and let it be known.That is what this forum is all about.Dont take it so personally we are all here to help each other out.We are all on the same team I hope.If you have trained with Hoffner or any other reputable Instructors I am sure you have heard these words on more then one occassion.Feel free to send me a post or private message,let me know what was wrong about what I said.You wont hurt my feelings.Bottom line is if you are a fellow Warrior and live by the code...we are on the same side. Twisted Evil

CaptDave · Joined: 23 Sep 2007 Posts: 7 Location: League City, TX

Ezekial:

I agree with Demon and think that you're taking this the wrong way.

I just deleted a long post simply because Demon just said it all.

I also agree that you should continue to post. After all, the point of a "forum" is for "discussion".

No one really got flamed here, just some well meaning members trying to give some good advice.

Ezekiel 25:17 · Joined: 06 Sep 2007 Posts: 36 Location: Houston TX.

Ummm one more thing and I'll drop this. I want to make two points, but before that let me just say that If you could seen my handsome face you would see that I'm smiling about this whole thread. I'm not upset or worked up in any way. I guess this is why world leaders do not negotiate policy on internet forums. In fact I have a great deal of respect for Rico, he is living a dream of training people to "stop threats" and I' am envious. I like to make jokes and mess around, my original post was simply that. Someone chose to pull two words out and get on a soap box and make me look like a kook. Well maybe I am. Which brings me to my first point:
If some shark tries to lock me up for ending someones life while in the process of stopping a perceived threat from hurting me or my family. All based on me saying "trained Killer" in a forum, let'em try. The threat is not worried about that. I hope I simply react to do what I am trained to do. Not look around to check the sun, if there are any minorities around, figure out the right thing to say. use politically correct bullets or any other action that "might" get me in trouble. Heck Lets really pick this thing apart. We are all part of "gunfighter forum" I bet a lawyer could have fun with that. Why are we not part of Taser forum or big stick forum or Your a big dummy forum. We are posting in the warrior hang out. Are we really warriors? According to dictionary.com, if we are warriors , We are trained in warfare or really motivated by a specific activity..... Oh ! we are, Gunfighting. And my second point.
When it comes to stopping a threat, there are many ways to do it. I've spent many years training to stop threats. I spent a few years in the military learning fun ways to stop threats. I've learned how to stay awake for days to stop threats, walk for miles and miles to stop threats, stop close threats and stop threats that are at great distances. I've slid down a rope to stop threats I've even learned how to jump from a plane to get to where the threats were. With the the right equipment I might even be able to stop a threat in a tank. Although presented with the opportunity only once I'm not sure that I've Really stopped anything, at least that is what I tell myself. In the twenty or so years that I've been training to stop threats, 99.9% was done by shooting paper or plastic or some type of silhouette. Now here is my point. I cant for the life of me remember seeing one target where I was required to shoot it in the foot or hand or any place but center mass of the torso or head. Even at these pistol matches the most points are given for center mass. Most people die from this trauma. I am trained to hit the targets there. So whether the target that presents itself is made of paper or carbon, it better lookout, cause in that regard, I am a "Trained Killer".

Again I'm not upset at anyone I just had a point and some free time. I feel like Andy Rooney "did you ever notice that when you chew gum from under some bleachers it never tastes as good as gum out the wrapper" Anyway I digress.

Best regards,
Fatty McButterpants