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robert · Site Admin Joined: 29 Jun 2007 Posts: 50 Location: Houston

I bought 5000 rounds today and need to get a second mortgage. Does anyone know what is going on? Question

specrat · Joined: 29 Jun 2007 Posts: 201 Location: the shop

no, but if you need help depleting those 5000 rounds, I like to help my friends out... that's what I'm here for brutha

robert · Site Admin Joined: 29 Jun 2007 Posts: 50 Location: Houston

Wow you are real nice like that.... ok

UZI · Joined: 08 Jul 2007 Posts: 44 Location: Houston, Texas

So I have heard two stories that are working together in concert.

First the price of metals is going up because of China's economy. Copper especially

Second the military is buying more than they did 2-3 years ago.
I was at Gander Mountan Wendesday and there was a sign that said
"All the rest of the 2007 production for Federal and Remingon was going to the military"
The ammo is out there I have some 5.56 winchester white box on order.

robert · Site Admin Joined: 29 Jun 2007 Posts: 50 Location: Houston

interesting I also heard that alot of civilians are stocking up creating a greater demand. Either way the prices have increased several times in the past two years.

specrat · Joined: 29 Jun 2007 Posts: 201 Location: the shop

I've got a slingshot for sale with some ball-bearings for sale at a good price!

........................ it's ALL ball-bearings nowadays!

UZI · Joined: 08 Jul 2007 Posts: 44 Location: Houston, Texas

FYI

Ok, stand by

Guns & Ammo August 2007 page 18

Associated Press reports " The Army's demand for small caliber ammunition has soared from 426 million rounds in 2001 to

1.5 billion in 2006" Top calibers the :5.56mm, 7.62mm and .50 caliber.

I hope the bullets are going to a good place. Razz

I wish I could pick up brass

robert · Site Admin Joined: 29 Jun 2007 Posts: 50 Location: Houston

I want to start a Ammo factory.....making ammunition is a growth industry.

Mel · Joined: 06 Jul 2007 Posts: 17 Location: Houston

The Facts About OSHA's Ammunition Proposal

Friday, July 13, 2007

A recent proposal for new “explosives safety” regulations by the Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) has rightly caused a flurry of concern among gun owners and those in the firearm business. OSHA had set out to make legitimate updates to workplace safety regulations pertaining to explosives; unfortunately, the proposed rule goes far beyond regulating true explosives. The proposed rules include restrictions that very few gun stores, sporting goods stores, shippers, or ammunition dealers could comply with.

The key problem in the proposed rule is that OSHA defines “explosives” to include “black powder, … small arms ammunition, small arms ammunition primers, [and] smokeless propellant.” The proposal defines different classes of “explosives” based on the hazards they present, but then treats ammunition and components the same as the most volatile high explosives, for nearly all purposes.

In fact, industry and military tests have long proved that small arms cartridge pose little hazard in a fire. A classic reference work from the 1940s describes tests in which large quantities of shotgun shells and metallic cartridges were deliberately set on fire. The ammunition generally burned slowly, and cartridges ignited “piece by piece” without throwing fragments more than a few feet. (Julian S. Hatcher, Hatcher’s Notebook 532-33 (2d ed. 1962).)

Because small arms ammunition and components are far less hazardous than high explosives, existing practices for their storage, transportation and sale are very different. But under the proposed rule, a workplace that contains even a handful of small arms cartridges, for any reason, is considered a “facility containing explosives” and therefore subject to many impractical restrictions. Among the many examples:

No person could carry “firearms, ammunition, or similar articles in facilities containing explosives … except as required for work duties.” This rule would make it impossible to operate any kind of gun store, firing range, or gunsmith shop.

Employers would have to evacuate all employees when an electrical storm approaches a “facility containing explosives.” This requirement would apply to all “facilities,” from a small country store that stocks a few boxes of hunting ammunition, to the largest mass-merchandise outlet such as Wal-Mart.

Employers would have to ensure that “no open flames, matches, or spark producing devices are located within 50 feet (15.2 m) of explosives or facilities containing explosives.” Neither small gun stores, nor “big box” retailers have any practical way to enforce this rule; realistically, a person smoking a cigarette outside a large concrete building can’t set fire to ammunition inside the building anyway.

Vehicles could not be “refueled within 50 feet (15.2 m) of a facility containing “explosives.” Again, many gas stations and convenience stores in rural areas stock small quantities of ammunition; gas pumps outside don’t pose any danger to ammunition in the store.

The proposed rules on storage of small arms ammunition and components would also create problems for retailers.

The rule would require 25 feet of separation between small arms ammunition and all “flammable liquids, flammable solids, and oxidizing materials.” As an even more impractical alternative, a dealer could construct a one-hour fire barrier wall. Neither should be necessary, given the low level of hazard created by (for instance) a countertop display of gun oil near a supply of rifle or pistol cartridges.

The rule would also impose stricter limits on storage of smokeless powder than existing National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) guidelines require. OSHA has presented no evidence that the existing NFPA standard is insufficient to protect workplace safety.

Finally, transportation provisions in the proposed rule would create similar problems. For example, the rule would require shippers to notify “local fire and police departments” before transferring “explosives” between vehicles, and even to notify these agencies about vehicle breakdowns or collisions. A fender-bender while delivering shotgun shells to a gun store hardly justifies this level of government involvement. These provisions do not reflect standard practices in the shipping industry, and many carriers would probably refuse to ship ammunition under these rules.

It’s important to remember this is only a proposed rule, so there’s still time for concerned citizens to speak out. The National Rifle Association, National Shooting Sports Foundation, and Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers’ Institute will all file comments urging a major rewrite of these proposed regulations, based on the severe effect the proposed regulations (if finalized) would have on the availability of ammunition and reloading supplies to safe and responsible shooters.

The public comment period on OSHA’s proposal ends September 10, 2007. To file a comment, or to learn more about the OSHA proposal, go to www.regulations.gov and search for Docket Number OSHA-2007-0032”; you can read OSHA’s proposal and learn how to submit comments electronically, or by fax or mail.

For additional information on this bill, please visit http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?ID=3145.

To read a letter from Representative Doug Lamborn (R-CO) and 31 other members of Congress to OSHA, please visit http://www.nraila.org/media/PDFs/nypd_kelly_to_ashcroft.pdf.

Guntrainer · Joined: 09 Nov 2007 Posts: 19

Dear Mel

Thankfully, this has been shelved,,,,FOR NOW!

You guys had better find a pro gun candidate you can live with and vote. If the wicked witch from the left gets in, this will come at us, and the fact that it would cripple ammo availability to police and military, not to speak of civilian markets, will make no difference to that liberal loon and her buffoon batallion.