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Hoff · Joined: 28 Jun 2007 Posts: 714 Location: Warrior Nirvana

In Regards to today’s killing of 11 soldiers and 1 police officer by Army Major Malik Nidal Hasan, most people think that soldiers carry weapons on their base but sadly this isn’t the case. It’s just another example of what happens when you take away the guns from the good guys…the bad guys continue to kill unabated. God bless the United States Constitution and those states that follow the constitution and allow concealed carry of firearms.
As I have said many, many times, it is not your choice on any given day if you are attacked or not, it is the choice of the attacker. If you are selected for attack you had better be trained, armed, aware, and prepared. If you have not been selected today, you had better be trained, armed, aware, and prepared…it is the only way to insure your life, and ensure that it is a life of safety, ability, and confidence. It is the only way to truly live and to live truly.
Our thoughts go to the dead, the injured, as well as their families.

AllAmerican · Joined: 05 Nov 2009 Posts: 1

therein lies the problem. just look at his name. he was probably some al-qaida waiting for his chance. now hopefully they will enforce the firing squad on him.

robert · Site Admin Joined: 29 Jun 2007 Posts: 64 Location: Houston

This is the reason I carry 24/7

Darcy · Joined: 24 Jul 2007 Posts: 25

We are so sad for those that lost loved ones yesterday.

Concerning concealed carry, after Columbine, Virgina Tech and now this you would think that legislators across the country would be lining up to allow concealed carry on campus, at work and of all places on a military base! I would carry 24/7 given the opportunity but my job prohibits it. Darcy gets to carry 24/7.

Concerning the shooter, well, he is still alive so he won't go to heaven and get his 72 virgins, that's good. He is still alive so he can be prosecuted, that's good. He is still alive so he can be executed, that's good too! I believe that there is no punishment too severe for people like this, regardless of his motivation. The question is, with all of the bleeding hearts, will he truely be punished?

Ron

tigress · Joined: 24 Jul 2007 Posts: 7

I am deeply, deeply saddened about these shootings, as I am deeply pained about all acts of crime. I truly agree with Hoffner that we have got to stay armed even when we don't feel like it.

Personally, I think it is insane that soldiers aren't allowed to carry their gun(s) on their base. I also think teachers with CHL should have the option to carry on campus. A lot of lives could have been saved if only people could defend themselves. And I bet the criminals would think twice if they knew someone would fight back.

What's sad is that everytime someone who *happened to be born Muslim* commits a crime, ALL Muslims are punished. My family and I (who are Muslims) are routinely mistreated and abused by some non-Muslims because of this.

Please know that these terrorists are not following the teachings of Islam...doesn't matter what they say...to me, they are not Muslims. Actions...not words...are what matter. I wish these terrible people would stop calling themselves Muslims.

Islam strictly condemns religious extremism and the use of violence against innocent lives. There is no justification in Islam for extremism or terrorism. Targeting civilians’ life and property through suicide bombings or any other method of attack is haram – or forbidden - and those who commit these barbaric acts are criminals, not “martyrs.”

The Qur’an, Islam’s revealed text, states: "Whoever kills a person [unjustly]…it is as though he has killed all mankind. And whoever saves a life, it is as though he had saved all mankind." (Qur’an, 5:32)

BTW, I just want everyone to know that according to Islam, anyone who commits suicide will never enter paradise.

Oh, and according to the Prophet Muhammad's teachings (hadith), “Whoever is killed while protecting his property, then he is a martyr.” (Bukhari 3:660-O.B.)

I pray for the injured, the deceased and all their families. My heart goes out to them all. I pray for the defeat of extremism and terrorism. I pray for the safety and security of our country, the United States, and its people.

Darcy · Joined: 24 Jul 2007 Posts: 25

Tigress, I have taken a long time to consider your post before I decided to responded.

My first point is to say that an unarmed military is really no more than Brian would say are just a bunch of victims. Apparently we can thank Jimmy Carter for implementing the "no guns on base" rules.

However, what I really wanted to discuss is your perception about when a Muslim commits a crime all Muslims are punished. I do not doubt that this is very true for you in many ways. However, I believe the reason for this reaction is also due to something many percieve but that most of us are not really aware of.

What I am talking about is the overwhelming silence from the majority of Muslims when these horrific crimes are committed. The silence speaks volumes. There is never a large vocal outpouring of condemnation by the Muslim community against these terrorists. Typically what I hear from Muslims and the media is exactly what you are saying, now that something bad has happened there will be a backlash against you and those of your faith and you will be mistreated and abused.

Now, this is not an attack on you or your beliefs. I have known and trained with Brian for many years now and I believe that he surrounds himself with only the finest quality individuals and I am certain that you are one of those people. I also believe that your perceptions of your treatment are also correct and I do appreciate your taking the opportunity to enlighten the rest of us concerning your religion. Since I had taken some Eastern Religous Studies in University I was already cognizant of many of your talking points.

My perception of your circumstances however is that they are primarily self inflicted due to the silence and passivity of the Muslim community as a whole in not standing up and forcefully and vocally condeming the acts of the terrorist Muslim extremists when these abominable acts occur. Attrocities occur globally that are perpetrated by Muslim extremists and the Muslim community chooses to remain mute. Silent. No response. For these reasons the rest of the nation distrusts your people. The silence is percieved as not just the acceptance of the activity of the Muslim extremist but the condonment of these radical acts.

If you and those of your faith want to be trusted and treated with the respect you deserve then I beleive that your religous community needs to take a stand, take the lead, stand up shoulder to shoulder with the American public and vocally and forcefully decry the acts and beliefs of the Muslim extremist and let the rest of the country and the world know what you believe in as stated in your post and defend your belief in what the Muslim faith represents. Otherwise you and your people will always be viewed suspiciously and be distrusted and in many cases be considered collaborators of the extremist because the silence of your religous community concerning these matters speaks volumes.

Ron

DEMON · Joined: 13 Jul 2007 Posts: 266 Location: Houston,Texas

HOFF; YOU WERE RIGHT THEN AND YOU ARE RIGHT NOW. IT WILL NEVER CHANGE, WE MUST ALWAYS BE PREPARED.

ROBERT; IM WITH YOU BROTHER...24/7 NO MATTER WHAT OR WHERE!

DARCY; WELL SPOKEN SIR, POINTS ARE RIGHT ON THE MONEY.

Twisted Evil

Hoff · Joined: 28 Jun 2007 Posts: 714 Location: Warrior Nirvana

As a cop I am proud of Police Sgt. Kimberly Munley. It is poetic Justice that a woman ended Malik Hasan's Jihad. As first responders we run to the danger as others are running away. Sgt Munley acted as she was trained and did not hesitate. LEO's, on or off duty, we must have our equipment with us and be prepared mentally for an active shooter situation to break at anytime. Great job Kimberly!-Hoff

Hero cop Sgt. Kimberly Munley who shot Fort Hood gunman Nidal Malik Hasan breaks silence to Oprah
BY Samuel Goldsmith
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER

Originally Published:Wednesday, November 11th 2009, 12:22 PM
Updated: Wednesday, November 11th 2009, 12:22 PM

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2009/11/11/2009-11-11_hero_cop_sgt_kimberly_munley_who_took_down_fort_hood_gunman_nidal_malik_hasan_br.html#ixzz0WbBJWeME

Fort Hood police Sgt. Kimberly Munley gets a visit in her hospital room Tuesday from Defense Secretary Robert Gates

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2009/11/11/2009-11-11_hero_cop_sgt_kimberly_munley_who_took_down_fort_hood_gunman_nidal_malik_hasan_br.html#ixzz0WbBvGsRk

The hero cop who helped take down the Fort Hood gunman is home from the hospital and says "things are getting better day by day."

"Every day is progress for me," Sgt. Kimberly Munley told Oprah Winfrey in an interview that airs Wednesday.

"Emotionally, I'm just hoping that the rest of the officers and the injured and the families of the deceased are healing as well."

Munley described last week's shooting that left 13 dead and 29 wounded as "confusing and chaotic."

She was washing her patrol car and filling it up with gas when she got the call that shots had been fired at Ford Hood. She raced to the scene.

"As soon as I got out of my vehicle and ran up the hill was when things got pretty bad," she said.

She ran inside and started exchanging shots with alleged gunman Maj. Nidal Hasan. She credits her extensive police training for taking down the suspect.

"The training does take over," she said. "In that particular incident, we didn't have much time to think."

She remembers the moment she was shot - but was more concerned about who else may have been hit.

"When I got shot, it felt like a muscle being torn out of my leg," the brave officer said. She suffered three gunshot wounds - in both thighs and a knuckle.

The 34-year-old had two surgeries in the hospital, where one of her visitors was Defense Secretary Robert Gates.

Munley said she is optimistic, but admits it will be a slow process to get back to her normal life.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2009/11/11/2009-11-11_hero_cop_sgt_kimberly_munley_who_took_down_fort_hood_gunman_nidal_malik_hasan_br.html#ixzz0WbAqZXPp

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2009/11/11/2009-11-11_hero_cop_sgt_kimberly_munley_who_took_down_fort_hood_gunman_nidal_malik_hasan_br.html#ixzz0WbAqZXPp

tigress · Joined: 24 Jul 2007 Posts: 7

thank you for your reply. i don't blame the nation for looking upon muslims the way they do today. some broken, misguided muslims are the ones to blame.

i swear to you, everytime i hear about a terrorist act, my heart bleeds. and i get so very angry at these crazy extremists who are truly misguided. this is NOT the way of muslims or islam.

Even as we speak now, my heart aches and i weep at what happened at fort hood. i pray for the wounded and the deceased, and their families, and am thankful someone was there to take down the criminal.

i can not seem to think of much else lately.

as for why do so many muslims keep quiet?
i don't think that's quite true. there were all kinds of press releases and articles from imams and muslim organizations all condemning the shooting as soon as they got the news. Our entire congregation prayed for the victims...and i know many other mosques that did the same. (there's even an organization called "NOT in the name of Islam".) I guess those things just don't get circulated enough. guess it doesn't help the media ratings. so since you asked, here's one from my area...

**** PRESS RELEASE ****

- For Immediate Release & Distribution -

U.S. Muslims Condemn Attack at Fort Hood
CAIR calls shootings cowardly and inexcusable

(SEATTLE, 11/5/09) -A prominent national Muslim civil rights and advocacy group tonight condemned an attack on Fort Hood military base in Texas that left at least 12 people dead.

In a statement, the Washington-based Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) said:

"We condemn this cowardly attack in the strongest terms possible and ask that the perpetrators be punished to the full extent of the law. No religious or political ideology could ever justify or excuse such wanton and indiscriminate violence. The attack was particularly heinous in that it targeted the all-volunteer army that protects our nation. American Muslims stand with our fellow citizens in offering both prayers for the victims and sincere condolences to the families of those killed or injured."

Along with innumerable condemnations of terror, CAIR has in the past launched an online anti-terror petition drive called "Not in the Name of Islam," initiated a television public service announcement (PSA) campaign against religious extremism and coordinated a "fatwa," or Islamic religious ruling, against terrorism and extremism.

SEE: CAIR's Anti-Terrorism Campaigns

For local interviews call Arsalan Bukhari, CAIR-WA Executive Director, at 206.367.4081.

For national interviews call Ibrahim Hooper, CAIR National Communications Director, at 202.488.8787 or 202.744.7726.

CAIR is America's largest Muslim civil liberties and advocacy organization. Its mission is to enhance the understanding of Islam, encourage dialogue, protect civil liberties, empower American Muslims, and build coalitions that promote justice and mutual understanding.

Here's an article that might interest you:

U.S. Muslim Religious Council Issues Fatwa Against Terrorism

The Fiqh Council of North America wishes to reaffirm Islam's absolute condemnation of terrorism and religious extremism.

Islam strictly condemns religious extremism and the use of violence against innocent lives. There is no justification in Islam for extremism or terrorism. Targeting civilians’ life and property through suicide bombings or any other method of attack is haram – or forbidden - and those who commit these barbaric acts are criminals, not “martyrs.”

The Qur’an, Islam’s revealed text, states: "Whoever kills a person [unjustly]…it is as though he has killed all mankind. And whoever saves a life, it is as though he had saved all mankind." (Qur’an, 5:32)

Prophet Muhammad said there is no excuse for committing unjust acts: "Do not be people without minds of your own, saying that if others treat you well you will treat them well, and that if they do wrong you will do wrong to them. Instead, accustom yourselves to do good if people do good and not to do wrong (even) if they do evil." (Al-Tirmidhi)

God mandates moderation in faith and in all aspects of life when He states in the Qur’an: “We made you to be a community of the middle way, so that (with the example of your lives) you might bear witness to the truth before all mankind.” (Qur’an, 2:143)

In another verse, God explains our duties as human beings when he says: “Let there arise from among you a band of people who invite to righteousness, and enjoin good and forbid evil.” (Qur’an, 3:104)

Islam teaches us to act in a caring manner to all of God's creation. The Prophet Muhammad, who is described in the Qur’an as “a mercy to the worlds” said: “All creation is the family of God, and the person most beloved by God (is the one) who is kind and caring toward His family."

In the light of the teachings of the Qur’an and Sunnah we clearly and strongly state:

1. All acts of terrorism targeting civilians are haram (forbidden) in Islam.
2. It is haram for a Muslim to cooperate with any individual or group that is involved in any act of terrorism or violence.
3. It is the civic and religious duty of Muslims to cooperate with law enforcement authorities to protect the lives of all civilians.

We issue this fatwa following the guidance of our scripture, the Qur’an, and the teachings of our Prophet Muhammad – peace be upon him. We urge all people to resolve all conflicts in just and peaceful manners.

We pray for the defeat of extremism and terrorism. We pray for the safety and security of our country, the United States, and its people. We pray for the safety and security of all inhabitants of our planet. We pray that interfaith harmony and cooperation prevail both in the United States and all around the globe.

Trust me...if I find any of these fanatics, i'll take 'em down myself...no hesitation.

Hoff · Joined: 28 Jun 2007 Posts: 714 Location: Warrior Nirvana

This editorial comment to the chron.com (Houston Chronicle) pretty much hits the nail on the head:

This man was is nuts. Nuts in a way that is obvious and sad. That said...how many years did it take this man to get through a four year medical school? Ok...lets say he got a masters in public health..but how long did it take ? According to your newspaper SEVEN years. Didn't anyone notice he was nuts? Now this is what scares me..A government medical school, a government internship, a government residency, a government clinic job, a government hospital position...and no one notice anything or did anything..YOU CAN"T fire someone from a government job.
NOW we want the government to run health care for the entire country? We want crazy doctors just like crazy postal employees? Going POSTAL(not going FED X ...or UPS' al ) described violent crazy government employee bahaviour.
So we want the doctors in this country to be trained and supervised by the government. Great. Just great. This nut crazy nuts doctor was not noticed by anyone with enough authority to kick him out of his government owned medical school, or his igovernment nternship, or hisgovernment residency or his government clinic job or terminate his government hospital privilages. He was crazy, disruptive in meetings, with crazy retoric, but what would have got him kicked out of ANY private hospital or clinic, or insurance company employment,
didn't get him sent to a well being committee, nor suspension of his privilages or licence or just plane kicked out of medical school. Friends , are you paying attention to how this happened. GOVERNMENT INCOMPETENCY IN HIS SUPERVISION AND EDUCATION!!!!! Don't let the government run medicine in this country or more doctors like this will be out "caring" for us.

txlawoffice · Joined: 11 Nov 2009 Posts: 5 Location: Houston

I have said it many times: It was only a matter of time before certain individuals brought the fight to our doorsteps. We have been very spoiled compared to the rest of the world. Everyone needs to be truly prepared like Mrs. Munley was.

Hoff · Joined: 28 Jun 2007 Posts: 714 Location: Warrior Nirvana

Spotting a red flag
Mark Mardell | 03:51 UK time, Tuesday, 10 November 2009

The FBI is defending itself against accusations that it should have spotted that the man accused of the Fort Hood shootings had contacts with an advocate of terrorism. One TV network and several newspapers have reported that Nidal Malik Hasan had a series of e-mail contacts with an imam who preaches violent jihad and has links to al-Qaeda. Anwar al-Awlaki is an American citizen who now lives in Yemen. After the shootings he wrote on his website, now not accessible, that Hasan was "a hero" and asked of the shootings "How can anyone doubt the virtue of what has been done?"

Now the FBI won't confirm the two men had been in touch but they do say that Major Hasan came to the attention of a joint terrorism task force because of e-mail contacts with an unnamed individual. They say that there were between 10 and 20 e-mails, and they were consistent with the major's research (he is a psychiatrist) or of a social nature or were seeking religious guidence. A senior official said they raised no "red flag" and their "general tenor was benign".

They say there is no indication that the major was part of any broader terrorist plot. The senate committee on homeland security will hold an investigation into whether this was a terrorist attack. This is bound to depend on philosophical, political and legal definitions of "terrorism" and well as medical ones of sanity. Some will feel that is hardly the point.

If a soldier, a Muslim unhappy about waging war on other Muslims, gets in touch with a man well-known for advocating terrorism, shouldn't that "raise a red flag"? What do you think?

DarthReed · Joined: 11 Jul 2007 Posts: 56 Location: Redmond, Washington

It should have been a huge red flag, boss. Anybody involved with counterterrorism @ the FBI who believes the "tenor" of a communication has anything to do with its impact or message should be shown the door. A sleeper or a mole would not be activated by bold text in big red letters that clearly state objective, time and place. At a minimum, that should've started an investigation. Ideally it should've put him on restricted leave and started dishonorable discharge proceedings if it turned up sedition.

Samia has stated our position as Muslim Americans pretty well. Anybody we ever come in contact with who expresses such an intent will just vanish. No questions asked.

tigress · Joined: 24 Jul 2007 Posts: 7

Just an FYI...

The Islamic Society of North America (ISNA), along with American Muslim Armed Forces Veterans Affairs Council has launched a fund in support of the families of the victims of the Ft. Hood massacre. Here is the press release:

http://www.isna.net/articles/News/American-Muslims-Launch-Special-Fund-for-the-Benefit-of-Ft-Hood-Attack-Victims.aspx

We have asked all national organizations as well as masjids across the country to help support this effort as an endorser. The details can be found at: www.forthoodffamilyfund.com. We have also asked national interfaith groups to help endorse this project and many have committed.

It is my hope that all faiths will unite to help in this good cause.

Samia